Comments on: Your Employer Owes You Nothing

By: Mark Shead

Mark Shead — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:54:27 +0000

While there are employers like you (particularly in smaller companies) in many businesses decisions are made several layers away from the actual employees. My goal isn’t to say that employers are bad people who are just trying to take advantage of everyone who works for them. However, I’ve seen people make decisions that are bad career decisions simply because they want to be loyal to their employer and then turn around and get let go when financial times get tough.

By: Harvey Golomb

Harvey Golomb — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:22:51 +0000

A smart employee will make himself or herself indispensible. Rather than being a person who takes orders and follows accepted procedures, you must be pro-active, and take a leadership role. If you merely take orders, and follow accepted procedures, then anyone can take your place. Unions have been a primary source of complacency, seeking job protection by legal means rather than productivity. You produce more than you are being paid. That is job security. Otherwise, eventually, a downturn will occur and the employer will give up being a charitable institution.

By: Monee

Monee — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:22:29 +0000

It is true that an employer does not OWE the employee anything but a paycheck at the end of the week, but this article and most of the comments below it seem to be written by people who believe all business owners are just greedy bastards who will screw the workers if it suits the bottom line. This is the furthest thing from the truth. I own a child care center; my family has owed this business for over 30 years. So I am the employer. Our employees are VERY important to us, and while we don’t OWE them anything extra for the time they work, their efforts are rewarded in other ways – special gifts, lunches or other things that make them feel appreciated. We will not let them go just to make an extra buck for our pockets, we care deeply about them and the families they support. And I know we are not alone – at least in this industry (which is all I can speak to). Employers are not always the Big Evil Money Hungry Monsters we see on television getting billion dollar bailouts, then going on expensive executive trips while the poor workers slave away for menial compensation. Some of us do care. A company doesn’t “suddenly decide” to shut down just for shits and giggles; something must have happened to make the owner need to take that step. We are human beings too.

By: steve

steve — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:50:23 +0000

It’s easy to get attached to your job: you have friends there, you’ve invested a lot of effort into it, you’ve done stuff that’s got results for the company and you feel you are helping it succeed.

But in reality they only thing that ties an employee to a company is the contract that says either party will give a month’s notice of termination in writing.

It’s a cold fact, but many forget it and they expect a job for life – they think their company is a friend and there to support them. The bigger a company gets the less this is true.

It’s horrible when someone get laid off but the reality is that they were bound with a contract with a termination clause and they shouldn’t expect anything more than that.

By: Chloe

Chloe — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:43:59 +0000

I agree, also read Rich Dad Poor Dad, and Napoleon Hill’s Law of Success. I’m 90% financially independent and hope to be 110% in a year, all well before 40.

By: Terre Roche

Terre Roche — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:34:18 +0000

…and this is precisely why I stopped ‘working for the man’ about seven years ago. Since then, I’ve had plenty of ups and downs – and a sometimes terrifying lack of financial stability, issues with health insurance, etc. BUT at no point did I feel like I was getting the shaft the way that I used to when I was part of the traditional workforce. People seem to think that in this economy, it makes no sense to start something new. The reality is quite the contrary, though – this is a great time to revamp and redirect your career, put your entrepreneurial ideas to work and carve your own self-employment niche. That’s *not* to infer that it’s going to be easy or that there won’t be missteps and hardships along the way. But there are plenty of resources available now that small business start-ups can tap into, derive support and advice from – it just requires a leap of faith… admittedly difficult, though worth it in the end. Anyone looking for a sounding board, a place to start, to devise a plan might want to check out a group called the Wild Women Entrepreneurs (http://www.thewildwe.com), spearheaded by Ja-Nae Duane – a gal with an encouraging backstory and a new book coming out called “How to Start Your Business with $100,” which is exactly what she did. The Wild WE is useful regardless of gender, btw. Online start-up resources like that one (and there are others, too) are infinitely helpful in steering you away from yet another job where loyalty will not be properly rewarded. Be loyal to yourself first…

By: Carla

Carla — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:11:11 +0000

Ironically, I felt bad for leaving my last company to go on disability. I didn’t leave because I wanted to. At the same time, I know they would do what they can to keep their business alive including laying off a few of its staff. I’ve been though it several times in my life.

By: Dmitri Eroshenko, Relenta

Dmitri Eroshenko, Relenta — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:27:27 +0000

@Guy Fawkes you totally missed the point…

By: Guy Fawkes

Guy Fawkes — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 02:19:28 +0000

Whoever wrote this article is an arrogant jack*ss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You get what you pay for, and if an employer is willing to treat his workers like garbage, then that is the productivity he is going to get.
If an Employer treats his workers like human beings, then rest assures he will get alot farther with what he wants.

By: Flora

Flora — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:53:22 +0000

Thank you, Mark. I think this was one of the toughest questions posed. I was raised old school and I have been loyal and obedient in every job I’ve ever had. Even the jobs I took on knowing they were temporary positions. Sorry I just had to throw that in there. Thinking aloud I guess. All the expectations come as second nature to me that I’m shocked employers ask such questions.

By: Mark Shead

Mark Shead — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:42:54 +0000

@Flora – I would say you owe your employer your best effort to help the business achieve its mission. This doesn’t mean you stay working for someone for your entire life, but it does mean that while you are there, you do your very best–just like you would if it were your own business.

By: Flora

Flora — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:47:16 +0000

I’m reading all these comments about owe and not owe. I agree with alot them. I ran across this website because I’m filling out an app. and one of the ?’s is “what do you owe your employer? Second what does your empolyer owe you?” I’m stumped, actually todays mentality of hiring is astounding. I feel it is ver much a give and take you show up do yuor job accordingly and your employer owe you you for services rendered. But I want this job so what do I say not to sound cockey? Any suggestions??

By: FIAR

FIAR — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:55:39 +0000

Mark,

Great post. I came here through Passionate America.

People tend not to understand that when they are an employee, they are nothing but a means to an end, and that end is profit.

A business exists for one purpose – To make money. If that business hires people it is for the sole reason of helping the employer make money. If you do not make money for the business, you’re gone. If you’re not needed, you’re gone.

Period. You are nothing but a tax id # and a paycheck. If that paycheck outweighs it’s necessity, you need a new job.

By: Eric S. Mueller

Eric S. Mueller — Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:15:29 +0000

Very true. I spent 6 years in the Navy, and that was a job where I owed a contract. For some reason the mentality stayed with me for a while after I got out. I got a decent job but for some reason I was convinced that I needed more money, so I took a part time job working in a liquor store. I worked there a year and I was absolutely miserable. I was 25 at the time and most of the other employees were teenagers (In New Jersey, teens can work in liquor stores). I found that I didn’t need the money but I stuck around for several months out of some twisted sense of “I owe them something”. I finally woke up one morning and realized that I owed them nothing and walked away.

When I got my current job, they wanted me to put my two week’s notice in immediately and start as soon as possible. My manager on my previous job actually told me to tell the new job that I have to stick around until they could hire somebody for me to train as a replacement. Considering that hiring cycles in that job can run six months or more, I told him I wasn’t on an enlistment contract and my two weeks notice was official as of that moment. I was polite about it, but it sure didn’t go over well… By that moment I had learned that I didn’t owe my employer anything.

By: Liz

Liz — Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:09:01 +0000

How saddly true!

I spent 3 years killing myself and ignoring my family for a company where the MD (who is the owner) expects every employee tospend at least 60 hours at work and pays for 40. On average my days were 12 hours, some stints which lasted over 3 months were 6 days, 20 hours a day. From one day to the next I was worthless and to add insult to injury, he made my life hell rather than pay me out – his attitude shows in the 56% turnover rate in the company’s IT department.

I stayed out of some delusional sense of loyalty – never again.