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> <channel><title>Comments on: Striving for Genius</title> <atom:link href="http://www.productivity501.com/striving-for-genius/5529/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.productivity501.com/striving-for-genius/5529/</link> <description>Pieces of the productivity puzzle.</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:55:26 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Mark Shead</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/striving-for-genius/5529/comment-page-1/#comment-158289</link> <dc:creator>Mark Shead</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:52:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5529#comment-158289</guid> <description>I am sure that this still apply in Myanmar and other places. You&#039;ll do much more good by helping people help themselves than by giving free handouts. Obviously things are going to be different in a refuge camp, but the concepts are still the same. If people come in and just give stuff away they are going to hurt the people in the long run. Anything that can be done to help people produce and earn their food is going to be far more beneficial.  In a refuge camp &quot;earning&quot; food may be very different than what it would be elsewhere.  It might even seem silly how trivial the &quot;work&quot; would need to be sometimes, but simply giving stuff away over the long term is de-humanizing and harmful.
I&#039;m not saying that we shouldn&#039;t help other countries and places that have real need--just that it has to be managed very carefully.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure that this still apply in Myanmar and other places. You&#8217;ll do much more good by helping people help themselves than by giving free handouts. Obviously things are going to be different in a refuge camp, but the concepts are still the same. If people come in and just give stuff away they are going to hurt the people in the long run. Anything that can be done to help people produce and earn their food is going to be far more beneficial.  In a refuge camp &#8220;earning&#8221; food may be very different than what it would be elsewhere.  It might even seem silly how trivial the &#8220;work&#8221; would need to be sometimes, but simply giving stuff away over the long term is de-humanizing and harmful.</p><p>I&#8217;m not saying that we shouldn&#8217;t help other countries and places that have real need&#8211;just that it has to be managed very carefully.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Connie</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/striving-for-genius/5529/comment-page-1/#comment-158283</link> <dc:creator>Connie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:22:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5529#comment-158283</guid> <description>Philosophically this sounds good but in Myanmar and the refugee camps in Thailand these thoughts don&#039;t apply.  It takes help in teaching and equipping local people to be able to support themselves and some generosity from those of us who spend more on our pets then these folks have for income.  Sorry to get on a bandwagon but one&#039;s life views things different when you have been there and seen first hand what they deal with.  Thanks for listening.  CW</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philosophically this sounds good but in Myanmar and the refugee camps in Thailand these thoughts don&#8217;t apply.  It takes help in teaching and equipping local people to be able to support themselves and some generosity from those of us who spend more on our pets then these folks have for income.  Sorry to get on a bandwagon but one&#8217;s life views things different when you have been there and seen first hand what they deal with.  Thanks for listening.  CW</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark Shead</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/striving-for-genius/5529/comment-page-1/#comment-158277</link> <dc:creator>Mark Shead</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:39:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5529#comment-158277</guid> <description>The solution to that problem is very complicated and in many cases people make things worse by trying to help.  I&#039;m not sure if the change you are purposing is to lower the birth rate or send food, so I&#039;ll just look at the food scenario in this reply.
Lets say you have a farmer in an area of Africa that has very little food.  He works hard and is able to  get a crop of potatoes to grow.  They aren&#039;t very good and he doesn&#039;t have great yields, but he has something edible that he can sell. However, when he takes it to market he is competing with a charity organization from the United States that is giving away free food. Rather than buying his locally produced food, everyone takes the free food.
How likely do you think it is that the farmer will put much effort into another crop? Everything might seem fine until the charity runs out of money or has to pull out because of a war. Then you leave a bunch of people who don&#039;t have the skills necessary to care for themselves, no established food markets and no expectation that food should cost anything.
The long term solution to food shortages isn&#039;t free food--it is teaching people how to produce food for themselves.  We understand this about animals.  Rangers and other people who manage wildlife put a lot of effort into preventing people from feeding the animals because they know that they can&#039;t survive long term if they become dependent on people.  I don&#039;t understand why we haven&#039;t figured this out when it comes to other people.
My point is that the problem is much more complicated than most people realize.  I don&#039;t know that it takes a genius to come up with workable long-term solutions, but a lot of what is being done now isn&#039;t very effective.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The solution to that problem is very complicated and in many cases people make things worse by trying to help.  I&#8217;m not sure if the change you are purposing is to lower the birth rate or send food, so I&#8217;ll just look at the food scenario in this reply.</p><p>Lets say you have a farmer in an area of Africa that has very little food.  He works hard and is able to  get a crop of potatoes to grow.  They aren&#8217;t very good and he doesn&#8217;t have great yields, but he has something edible that he can sell. However, when he takes it to market he is competing with a charity organization from the United States that is giving away free food. Rather than buying his locally produced food, everyone takes the free food.</p><p>How likely do you think it is that the farmer will put much effort into another crop? Everything might seem fine until the charity runs out of money or has to pull out because of a war. Then you leave a bunch of people who don&#8217;t have the skills necessary to care for themselves, no established food markets and no expectation that food should cost anything.</p><p>The long term solution to food shortages isn&#8217;t free food&#8211;it is teaching people how to produce food for themselves.  We understand this about animals.  Rangers and other people who manage wildlife put a lot of effort into preventing people from feeding the animals because they know that they can&#8217;t survive long term if they become dependent on people.  I don&#8217;t understand why we haven&#8217;t figured this out when it comes to other people.</p><p>My point is that the problem is much more complicated than most people realize.  I don&#8217;t know that it takes a genius to come up with workable long-term solutions, but a lot of what is being done now isn&#8217;t very effective.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Connie</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/striving-for-genius/5529/comment-page-1/#comment-158272</link> <dc:creator>Connie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:03:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5529#comment-158272</guid> <description>Obviously we have no shorten of food in the West as our obesity statistics have proven.  However, if you&#039;ve traveled to many third world countries you&#039;ll see there is a real shortage there.  Especially of meals with protein in them.  It isn&#039;t always a lack of food within the country but lack of funds to purchase the food.  It&#039;s a sad thing to visit the orphanages and homes and see that they are fortunate if they have a protein meal once a week.  Does it take a genius to figure out how to change that?  CW</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously we have no shorten of food in the West as our obesity statistics have proven.  However, if you&#8217;ve traveled to many third world countries you&#8217;ll see there is a real shortage there.  Especially of meals with protein in them.  It isn&#8217;t always a lack of food within the country but lack of funds to purchase the food.  It&#8217;s a sad thing to visit the orphanages and homes and see that they are fortunate if they have a protein meal once a week.  Does it take a genius to figure out how to change that?  CW</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chris</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/striving-for-genius/5529/comment-page-1/#comment-131287</link> <dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:20:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5529#comment-131287</guid> <description>The end was the part that hit home the most with me...  &quot;most of the credit should go toward their willingness to try and to keep trying.&quot;
Starred in my rss feeds and definitely something I will reread when my motivation wavers when working on personal projects and trying to ride out the storm.
Thanks for the post! Keep &#039;em coming! :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The end was the part that hit home the most with me&#8230;  &#8220;most of the credit should go toward their willingness to try and to keep trying.&#8221;<br
/> Starred in my rss feeds and definitely something I will reread when my motivation wavers when working on personal projects and trying to ride out the storm.</p><p>Thanks for the post! Keep &#8216;em coming! :)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mindimoo</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/striving-for-genius/5529/comment-page-1/#comment-130665</link> <dc:creator>Mindimoo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:50:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5529#comment-130665</guid> <description>Geniuses may be able to find ways around problems with food production, but even now when there is enough food in the world, two-thirds of the world doesn&#039;t have enough to eat. Perhaps some of the geniuses might want to work on this issue.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geniuses may be able to find ways around problems with food production, but even now when there is enough food in the world, two-thirds of the world doesn&#8217;t have enough to eat. Perhaps some of the geniuses might want to work on this issue.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark Shead</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/striving-for-genius/5529/comment-page-1/#comment-130567</link> <dc:creator>Mark Shead</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:59:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5529#comment-130567</guid> <description>Fertilizers (like everything) can have bad side effects--particularly if used irresponsibly.  However, they do make a huge difference in the amount of food that can be produced from a given piece of land.  There are a bunch of other advances that have made big differences as well (crop rotation and irrigation).
Given the decreasing growth rates of developed countries, it is likely that technology achievements can keep us going for a long time--even if they occur at a much slower rate. The undeveloped world may indeed be subject to Malthus&#039; predictions.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fertilizers (like everything) can have bad side effects&#8211;particularly if used irresponsibly.  However, they do make a huge difference in the amount of food that can be produced from a given piece of land.  There are a bunch of other advances that have made big differences as well (crop rotation and irrigation).</p><p>Given the decreasing growth rates of developed countries, it is likely that technology achievements can keep us going for a long time&#8211;even if they occur at a much slower rate. The undeveloped world may indeed be subject to Malthus&#8217; predictions.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark Shead</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/striving-for-genius/5529/comment-page-1/#comment-130566</link> <dc:creator>Mark Shead</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:54:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5529#comment-130566</guid> <description>I would suggest that just because something is big (Microsoft) doesn&#039;t mean it is extremely relevant in pushing the limits on where society will be in 100 years.  In fact, sometimes large organizations  can impede growth rather than foster it.
That said, many of the advances we&#039;ve seen in the past, were sparked by a genius but implemented by a bunch of unknown people who moved society forward on the foundation of the genius&#039; creativity.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest that just because something is big (Microsoft) doesn&#8217;t mean it is extremely relevant in pushing the limits on where society will be in 100 years.  In fact, sometimes large organizations  can impede growth rather than foster it.</p><p>That said, many of the advances we&#8217;ve seen in the past, were sparked by a genius but implemented by a bunch of unknown people who moved society forward on the foundation of the genius&#8217; creativity.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark Shead</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/striving-for-genius/5529/comment-page-1/#comment-130565</link> <dc:creator>Mark Shead</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:48:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5529#comment-130565</guid> <description>Obviously, we will never get to a position where we can say his predictions have been disproved.  But for that matter, I could predict that the moon will turn into cheese.  If someone says I was wrong, I can just say it hasn&#039;t happened yet. :)
Malthus did make a good point though.  At the rate things were going he thought they would run out of the ability to produce food.  Sometimes identifying a problem ahead of time can be the turning point in getting people to look at avoiding it.
Thank you for your kind words and your comments.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, we will never get to a position where we can say his predictions have been disproved.  But for that matter, I could predict that the moon will turn into cheese.  If someone says I was wrong, I can just say it hasn&#8217;t happened yet. :)</p><p>Malthus did make a good point though.  At the rate things were going he thought they would run out of the ability to produce food.  Sometimes identifying a problem ahead of time can be the turning point in getting people to look at avoiding it.</p><p>Thank you for your kind words and your comments.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Votre</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/striving-for-genius/5529/comment-page-1/#comment-130564</link> <dc:creator>Votre</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:46:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5529#comment-130564</guid> <description>I think it may be premature to dismiss Malthus.
The jury is still out as to whether or not &quot;genius&quot; and technological development will be able to perpetually outstrip population growth. And fertilizers are not the panacea some would believe them to be either. Ask any grower about the environmental problems fertilizers cause.
Genius may be able to provide a temporary fix for a given problem. But genius alone can&#039;t override the laws of physics, or even simple mathematics for that matter.
When it comes to survival, I&#039;ll be happy to work towards technological breakthroughs. But I&#039;d sure as hell rather not plan on them as a matter of course. The human race can&#039;t afford that much hubris.
Like the old saying goes: Pray for miracles - don&#039;t rely on them.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it may be premature to dismiss Malthus.</p><p>The jury is still out as to whether or not &#8220;genius&#8221; and technological development will be able to perpetually outstrip population growth. And fertilizers are not the panacea some would believe them to be either. Ask any grower about the environmental problems fertilizers cause.</p><p>Genius may be able to provide a temporary fix for a given problem. But genius alone can&#8217;t override the laws of physics, or even simple mathematics for that matter.</p><p>When it comes to survival, I&#8217;ll be happy to work towards technological breakthroughs. But I&#8217;d sure as hell rather not plan on them as a matter of course. The human race can&#8217;t afford that much hubris.</p><p>Like the old saying goes: Pray for miracles &#8211; don&#8217;t rely on them.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: RC</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/striving-for-genius/5529/comment-page-1/#comment-130560</link> <dc:creator>RC</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:32:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5529#comment-130560</guid> <description>I agree that genius thinking (whether collaborative or individual) can change the dynamic of a system.  Or to put it another way, we are creative and sometimes discover new or improved ways of doing things.
But I think we owe much more to the process in which society can develop, not by individual flashes of genius, but by the work of countless people putting in their time and making miniscule, additive advances.  Microsoft might have started with some wiz-kids, but it exists today as a gigantic entity because of thousands of programmings working man-years.
Oh, and we are far from knowing whether Malthus was correct.  He vastly underestmated the size of this Earth and it&#039;s ability to produce.  Overpopulation is a joke - we could fit the entire population of the world in Texas, and leave the rest as farm and nature preserve, if we had to.  We are far, very far, from the true limit of our resources, and Malthus might be right ... eventually.
More likely, he is wrong because he ignored the fact that governments would try to control the situation, whether by euthanasia or birth control (think China).  He missed a key component.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that genius thinking (whether collaborative or individual) can change the dynamic of a system.  Or to put it another way, we are creative and sometimes discover new or improved ways of doing things.</p><p>But I think we owe much more to the process in which society can develop, not by individual flashes of genius, but by the work of countless people putting in their time and making miniscule, additive advances.  Microsoft might have started with some wiz-kids, but it exists today as a gigantic entity because of thousands of programmings working man-years.</p><p>Oh, and we are far from knowing whether Malthus was correct.  He vastly underestmated the size of this Earth and it&#8217;s ability to produce.  Overpopulation is a joke &#8211; we could fit the entire population of the world in Texas, and leave the rest as farm and nature preserve, if we had to.  We are far, very far, from the true limit of our resources, and Malthus might be right &#8230; eventually.</p><p>More likely, he is wrong because he ignored the fact that governments would try to control the situation, whether by euthanasia or birth control (think China).  He missed a key component.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jeremy Seip</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/striving-for-genius/5529/comment-page-1/#comment-130557</link> <dc:creator>Jeremy Seip</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:24:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5529#comment-130557</guid> <description>To be a bit pedantic, technically I believe his prediction has not come true _yet_. (my apologies if we&#039;ve lived past a date by which he predicted cannibalism would happen).  Personally I tend to agree with your assessment of geniuses and hard work leading the way forward out of perils.  The pessimist in me alas recognizes that these advances also enable a fall from a much greater height.
I humbly suggest we keep producing people who embody your advice.
Thank you for your posts,  despite my nitpicking here, I find your comments and writing very inspiring.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be a bit pedantic, technically I believe his prediction has not come true _yet_. (my apologies if we&#8217;ve lived past a date by which he predicted cannibalism would happen).  Personally I tend to agree with your assessment of geniuses and hard work leading the way forward out of perils.  The pessimist in me alas recognizes that these advances also enable a fall from a much greater height.</p><p>I humbly suggest we keep producing people who embody your advice.</p><p>Thank you for your posts,  despite my nitpicking here, I find your comments and writing very inspiring.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark Shead</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/striving-for-genius/5529/comment-page-1/#comment-130136</link> <dc:creator>Mark Shead</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:27:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5529#comment-130136</guid> <description>@Qrystal -   I said that was one of the theories about why his predictions haven&#039;t come true is that he is simply wrong. Regardless, the amount of food we produce from a given section of land is significantly more than it was in Malthus&#039; day.  Most of this is because of things like fertilizers and other leaps in food productivity by the geniuses that this article is about.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Qrystal &#8211;   I said that was one of the theories about why his predictions haven&#8217;t come true is that he is simply wrong. Regardless, the amount of food we produce from a given section of land is significantly more than it was in Malthus&#8217; day.  Most of this is because of things like fertilizers and other leaps in food productivity by the geniuses that this article is about.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Qrystal</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/striving-for-genius/5529/comment-page-1/#comment-130135</link> <dc:creator>Qrystal</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:31:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5529#comment-130135</guid> <description>Sheesh, isn&#039;t it a little harsh to say that &quot;Malthus’ theory is just flat out wrong&quot;?
I mean, technically, it probably is possible for food demand to outpace supply, and thus considerations would have to be made for the space needed to grow things versus how many people it can feed, or whatever.
A theory is only wrong if it is disproven by evidence that directly conflicts the hypothesis.  This particular theory predicts something about the future, which could make it notoriously difficult to disprove.  I might consider it disproven if we get to the point where we have offworld greenhouses, because then the amount of space available is well beyond the boundaries of Malthus&#039; statement.  But what if we don&#039;t get there?  What if we starve first, or are reduced to eating rations instead of meals while we get an offworld growing program in place?  Then Malthus will be correct, after all.
So, perhaps that theory should be reserved as a final option in your list, instead of it being the first one, jarring people into thinking that it&#039;s okay to jump to that conclusion first instead of considering other ideas first.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheesh, isn&#8217;t it a little harsh to say that &#8220;Malthus’ theory is just flat out wrong&#8221;?</p><p>I mean, technically, it probably is possible for food demand to outpace supply, and thus considerations would have to be made for the space needed to grow things versus how many people it can feed, or whatever.</p><p>A theory is only wrong if it is disproven by evidence that directly conflicts the hypothesis.  This particular theory predicts something about the future, which could make it notoriously difficult to disprove.  I might consider it disproven if we get to the point where we have offworld greenhouses, because then the amount of space available is well beyond the boundaries of Malthus&#8217; statement.  But what if we don&#8217;t get there?  What if we starve first, or are reduced to eating rations instead of meals while we get an offworld growing program in place?  Then Malthus will be correct, after all.</p><p>So, perhaps that theory should be reserved as a final option in your list, instead of it being the first one, jarring people into thinking that it&#8217;s okay to jump to that conclusion first instead of considering other ideas first.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark Shead</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/striving-for-genius/5529/comment-page-1/#comment-130128</link> <dc:creator>Mark Shead</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:10:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5529#comment-130128</guid> <description>Thanks Nathan.  I appreciate your kind words.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Nathan.  I appreciate your kind words.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
