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> <channel><title>Comments on: How I Learned Racial Discrimination</title> <atom:link href="http://www.productivity501.com/how-i-learned-racial-discrimination/5461/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.productivity501.com/how-i-learned-racial-discrimination/5461/</link> <description>Pieces of the productivity puzzle.</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:55:26 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Mark Shead</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/how-i-learned-racial-discrimination/5461/comment-page-1/#comment-143053</link> <dc:creator>Mark Shead</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:50:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5461#comment-143053</guid> <description>Shane -   It would be better if we treat skin color the same way as eye or hair color. Diversity training often tries to emphasis differences with people who don&#039;t notice the color of other people&#039;s skin. If you read my post, you&#039;ll see that the example I gave was this:  I didn&#039;t realize I had black friends until I was called a racist for NOT having black friends.  Then I started noticing the color of my friends skin.  I couldn&#039;t tell you how many blue eyed friends I have and it would take me a bit to count the number blond people I know.  So if you call me ignorant because I classified my friends in one bucket (friends) instead of two buckets (black friends and white friends) so be it.  I think the world would be a better place if everyone only noticed skin color like they notice hair color.
My point is that society is being trained to notice skin color and trained to see, notice, and treat black people differently than other people.  That is where I think diversity training is harmful.
(I think it is interesting/odd that you referred to the person doing the training as an &quot;officer&quot;. )</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shane &#8211;   It would be better if we treat skin color the same way as eye or hair color. Diversity training often tries to emphasis differences with people who don&#8217;t notice the color of other people&#8217;s skin. If you read my post, you&#8217;ll see that the example I gave was this:  I didn&#8217;t realize I had black friends until I was called a racist for NOT having black friends.  Then I started noticing the color of my friends skin.  I couldn&#8217;t tell you how many blue eyed friends I have and it would take me a bit to count the number blond people I know.  So if you call me ignorant because I classified my friends in one bucket (friends) instead of two buckets (black friends and white friends) so be it.  I think the world would be a better place if everyone only noticed skin color like they notice hair color.</p><p>My point is that society is being trained to notice skin color and trained to see, notice, and treat black people differently than other people.  That is where I think diversity training is harmful.</p><p>(I think it is interesting/odd that you referred to the person doing the training as an &#8220;officer&#8221;. )</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ShaneVicious</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/how-i-learned-racial-discrimination/5461/comment-page-1/#comment-143047</link> <dc:creator>ShaneVicious</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:31:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5461#comment-143047</guid> <description>Mark, how many people have been enslaved because of their hair or eye color ?   Have there been a mass of lynchings of blue-eyed individuals ?   Have blonds been denied the right to vote?  Are those with green eyes profiled by the police.  In Tulia, Texas,  a large number of blacks were targeted by police, had drugs planted on them and were wrongly arrested. It&#039;s a major case,  Google it.  Any groups of blue-eyed people receive similar treatment ???? In Philly this summer,  a group of black children were refused entry to a pool even after they had paid.  I don&#039;t recall any blond students being treated like that,   perhaps you can refresh our memories.
The diversity training officer merely pointed out something that is already noticed by society.  I don&#039;t think you&#039;re racist,  but I do think you are very ignorant.  You cannot compare people of color to people with blond hair or those with blue/green eyes because the latter groups aren&#039;t catching hell like people of color.
While you yourself may not judge people based on color, society for the most part does.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, how many people have been enslaved because of their hair or eye color ?   Have there been a mass of lynchings of blue-eyed individuals ?   Have blonds been denied the right to vote?  Are those with green eyes profiled by the police.  In Tulia, Texas,  a large number of blacks were targeted by police, had drugs planted on them and were wrongly arrested. It&#8217;s a major case,  Google it.  Any groups of blue-eyed people receive similar treatment ???? In Philly this summer,  a group of black children were refused entry to a pool even after they had paid.  I don&#8217;t recall any blond students being treated like that,   perhaps you can refresh our memories.</p><p> The diversity training officer merely pointed out something that is already noticed by society.  I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re racist,  but I do think you are very ignorant.  You cannot compare people of color to people with blond hair or those with blue/green eyes because the latter groups aren&#8217;t catching hell like people of color.</p><p>While you yourself may not judge people based on color, society for the most part does.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark Shead</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/how-i-learned-racial-discrimination/5461/comment-page-1/#comment-140068</link> <dc:creator>Mark Shead</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 22:09:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5461#comment-140068</guid> <description>But if you start thinking about all blue eyed people in one way and all brown eyed people in another and treating them differently, I would argue that your recognition is causing harm.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But if you start thinking about all blue eyed people in one way and all brown eyed people in another and treating them differently, I would argue that your recognition is causing harm.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rachel</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/how-i-learned-racial-discrimination/5461/comment-page-1/#comment-139891</link> <dc:creator>rachel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:32:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5461#comment-139891</guid> <description>having grown up in a multi-cultural society, we were though to recognized people&#039;s, race, nationality and gender. and to respect every part of it. its like noticing and appreciating the color of someone&#039;s hair or eyes.
it doesn&#039;t make me a racist, it makes more informed because i&#039;m acknowledging these details. people are not colorless homosapiens with atitudes, i dont think i wanna be remembered as one either.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>having grown up in a multi-cultural society, we were though to recognized people&#8217;s, race, nationality and gender. and to respect every part of it. its like noticing and appreciating the color of someone&#8217;s hair or eyes.<br
/> it doesn&#8217;t make me a racist, it makes more informed because i&#8217;m acknowledging these details. people are not colorless homosapiens with atitudes, i dont think i wanna be remembered as one either.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark Shead</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/how-i-learned-racial-discrimination/5461/comment-page-1/#comment-139833</link> <dc:creator>Mark Shead</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 05:48:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5461#comment-139833</guid> <description>My point with the article was to examine the thought process that was going on in my mind during those few seconds.  Stopping him may or may not have been a good idea, but that wasn&#039;t the mental difficulty I was facing at the time.
Yes the speaker was implying that a good barometer of how racist you are is the number of black friends you have. If you get a bunch of brown eyed people in a room and tell them that they are probably unconsciously prejudice against blue-eyed people you are going to start creating problems that don&#039;t already exist. However, that is basically what we do with skin color. Other studies of children have shown that when you start giving them ways to categorize themselves, they start seeing their own category as superior to others.  That doesn&#039;t mean you can&#039;t ever talk about race, but making it a major way to categorize ourselves and others isn&#039;t helping. If we&#039;d treat skin color the same as hair color or eye color, I think we&#039;d be much better off as a society.
Now cultural issues are an entirely different issue. There are a number of cultures I do not care to extensively associate with and many of them predominately populated by people who share my skin color. Cultural differences are not something I was talking about in this article.
Yes I&#039;ve previously read that link.  They talk about how depressing it is that only 8% of white kids have a best friend that is from another race.
I&#039;m not saying that we should never teach kids anything about race.  Any decent education will give kids a good understanding of how various races have been mistreated over the years and an appreciation of what some historical figures had to overcome, but this can be done without recreating an emphasis on different skin color in the present.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point with the article was to examine the thought process that was going on in my mind during those few seconds.  Stopping him may or may not have been a good idea, but that wasn&#8217;t the mental difficulty I was facing at the time.</p><p>Yes the speaker was implying that a good barometer of how racist you are is the number of black friends you have. If you get a bunch of brown eyed people in a room and tell them that they are probably unconsciously prejudice against blue-eyed people you are going to start creating problems that don&#8217;t already exist. However, that is basically what we do with skin color. Other studies of children have shown that when you start giving them ways to categorize themselves, they start seeing their own category as superior to others.  That doesn&#8217;t mean you can&#8217;t ever talk about race, but making it a major way to categorize ourselves and others isn&#8217;t helping. If we&#8217;d treat skin color the same as hair color or eye color, I think we&#8217;d be much better off as a society.</p><p>Now cultural issues are an entirely different issue. There are a number of cultures I do not care to extensively associate with and many of them predominately populated by people who share my skin color. Cultural differences are not something I was talking about in this article.</p><p>Yes I&#8217;ve previously read that link.  They talk about how depressing it is that only 8% of white kids have a best friend that is from another race.</p><p>I&#8217;m not saying that we should never teach kids anything about race.  Any decent education will give kids a good understanding of how various races have been mistreated over the years and an appreciation of what some historical figures had to overcome, but this can be done without recreating an emphasis on different skin color in the present.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dave C.</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/how-i-learned-racial-discrimination/5461/comment-page-1/#comment-139821</link> <dc:creator>Dave C.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 03:48:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5461#comment-139821</guid> <description>I did read the full post, and I even just went back to check; although someone could make an assumption that you were told that you were racist because you didn&#039;t have black friend, you do not say as much anywhere in your post. From your characterization, it does not sound like the &quot;training&quot; was all that productive and may even have, as your post suggests, caused more damage than it was useful.
No one should be considered racist just because they don&#039;t have friends of a certain skin color. Although racism causes the separation in the USA, the problem of people of different ethnic backgrounds not intermingling as much as the mythical melting pot suggests, also has a lot to do with insecurities and discomfort about how the cultures are to approach each other.  This is a far bigger issue than could ever even be discussed in this post, but I would suggest to you that you seek out some quality university classes on the subject. Unfortunately, Universities are the only place in America where the topic is thoroughly discussed and examined.
I still am not all that convinced that the potential consequences of tackling someone who may not really be committing a crime did not play a bigger roll than the consequences of a single &quot;training&quot; session. For that matter, just the fact that you are probably not someone who is regularly poised and ready to tackle common criminals out in public. Depending on the laws where this incident happened, it may have even been quite a bad situation if you tackle someone; because it is still assault when you just tackle, restrain, or physically stop someone. If you were going to simply, lets say, block the path; I also don&#039;t think it would have been all that productive to potentially land in the hospital as a man, in full sprint checks you and busts open your skull on the pavement.
To get back to the point you seem to have been wanting to make, that it is better to just be &quot;color blind&quot;, I would like to offer the following article regarding research, generally, on this topic http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/02/how-to-raise-racist-kids/</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did read the full post, and I even just went back to check; although someone could make an assumption that you were told that you were racist because you didn&#8217;t have black friend, you do not say as much anywhere in your post. From your characterization, it does not sound like the &#8220;training&#8221; was all that productive and may even have, as your post suggests, caused more damage than it was useful.</p><p>No one should be considered racist just because they don&#8217;t have friends of a certain skin color. Although racism causes the separation in the USA, the problem of people of different ethnic backgrounds not intermingling as much as the mythical melting pot suggests, also has a lot to do with insecurities and discomfort about how the cultures are to approach each other.  This is a far bigger issue than could ever even be discussed in this post, but I would suggest to you that you seek out some quality <a
href="http://www.productivity501.com/harvard-masters-degree/6463/" class="kblinker" title="More about university &raquo;">university</a> classes on the subject. Unfortunately, Universities are the only place in America where the topic is thoroughly discussed and examined.</p><p>I still am not all that convinced that the potential consequences of tackling someone who may not really be committing a crime did not play a bigger roll than the consequences of a single &#8220;training&#8221; session. For that matter, just the fact that you are probably not someone who is regularly poised and ready to tackle common criminals out in public. Depending on the laws where this incident happened, it may have even been quite a bad situation if you tackle someone; because it is still assault when you just tackle, restrain, or physically stop someone. If you were going to simply, lets say, block the path; I also don&#8217;t think it would have been all that productive to potentially land in the hospital as a man, in full sprint checks you and busts open your skull on the pavement.</p><p>To get back to the point you seem to have been wanting to make, that it is better to just be &#8220;color blind&#8221;, I would like to offer the following article regarding research, generally, on this topic <a
href="http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/02/how-to-raise-racist-kids/">http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/02/how-to-raise-racist-kids/</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark Shead</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/how-i-learned-racial-discrimination/5461/comment-page-1/#comment-139695</link> <dc:creator>Mark Shead</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:47:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5461#comment-139695</guid> <description>We don&#039;t pay significant attention to hair color or eye color because people aren&#039;t always pointing it out.  You don&#039;t say, &quot;How many blue eyed friends do you have?&quot; Perhaps society would treat skin color more like eye or hair color if there wasn&#039;t as much effort going into making it different.
Cultural differences are a separate issue.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t pay significant attention to hair color or eye color because people aren&#8217;t always pointing it out.  You don&#8217;t say, &#8220;How many blue eyed friends do you have?&#8221; Perhaps society would treat skin color more like eye or hair color if there wasn&#8217;t as much effort going into making it different.</p><p>Cultural differences are a separate issue.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: stacey</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/how-i-learned-racial-discrimination/5461/comment-page-1/#comment-139686</link> <dc:creator>stacey</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:08:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5461#comment-139686</guid> <description>You may &quot;forget&quot; that your friends are persons of color, but as Cam described, society doesn&#039;t.
We don&#039;t need diversity training. We are already diverse. Such training should focus on anti-racism work and working on institutional racism.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may &#8220;forget&#8221; that your friends are persons of color, but as Cam described, society doesn&#8217;t.</p><p>We don&#8217;t need diversity training. We are already diverse. Such training should focus on anti-racism work and working on institutional racism.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Carrie</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/how-i-learned-racial-discrimination/5461/comment-page-1/#comment-139487</link> <dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:52:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5461#comment-139487</guid> <description>I once volunteered in an adjunct to a church&#039;s donation center.  We had a line for Spanish speakers and a line for English speakers.  I worked behind the English-speaking window, meaning I helped the blacks and the whites.  People seeking assistance needed to have several forms filled out BEFORE we could help them with food, shelter, training, etc.  I got tired of people standing in line for hours, just to ask me at my window if I could give them money or food without having filled out any paperwork, so I posted several HUGE signs telling them if they had not yet picked up and filled out the church&#039;s paperwork, DO NOT stand in line here until they did fill it out.
Surprise, surprise, people STILL stood in line and on a daily basis asked me at my window for food/assistance claiming no knowledge of any need for paperwork!  This got me angry, and when WHITE people stupidly ignored the signs, I ripped into them.  But when BLACK people did the same thing, I politely told them that they&#039;d have to go to whichever church it was that referred them and fill out that church&#039;s paperwork before we could assist them.
This was racism in effect.  I reacted differently to people based on their color; I could feel fine reprimanding people of my color for not following the basics, but I very kindly told the black people the steps they&#039;d have to take, for fear that they&#039;d accuse me of racism.  Yes, until we truly treat ALL people the same, we will all be &quot;racists&quot;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once volunteered in an adjunct to a church&#8217;s donation center.  We had a line for Spanish speakers and a line for English speakers.  I worked behind the English-speaking window, meaning I helped the blacks and the whites.  People seeking assistance needed to have several forms filled out BEFORE we could help them with food, shelter, training, etc.  I got tired of people standing in line for hours, just to ask me at my window if I could give them money or food without having filled out any paperwork, so I posted several HUGE signs telling them if they had not yet picked up and filled out the church&#8217;s paperwork, DO NOT stand in line here until they did fill it out.<br
/> Surprise, surprise, people STILL stood in line and on a daily basis asked me at my window for food/assistance claiming no knowledge of any need for paperwork!  This got me angry, and when WHITE people stupidly ignored the signs, I ripped into them.  But when BLACK people did the same thing, I politely told them that they&#8217;d have to go to whichever church it was that referred them and fill out that church&#8217;s paperwork before we could assist them.<br
/> This was racism in effect.  I reacted differently to people based on their color; I could feel fine reprimanding people of my color for not following the basics, but I very kindly told the black people the steps they&#8217;d have to take, for fear that they&#8217;d accuse me of racism.  Yes, until we truly treat ALL people the same, we will all be &#8220;racists&#8221;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dawn</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/how-i-learned-racial-discrimination/5461/comment-page-1/#comment-139451</link> <dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:27:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5461#comment-139451</guid> <description>Hey Mark - I just wanted to say that this was a great piece.
Signed,
Someone who gets it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mark &#8211; I just wanted to say that this was a great piece.</p><p>Signed,<br
/> Someone who gets it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark Shead</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/how-i-learned-racial-discrimination/5461/comment-page-1/#comment-139436</link> <dc:creator>Mark Shead</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:17:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5461#comment-139436</guid> <description>I&#039;m not sure you read the full article.  The thief was one example.  Even more important is the part where I was told I was a racist for not having any black friends.  With that type of predisposition, I am very confident I would have assumed a white person in the same situation was a thief.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure you read the full article.  The thief was one example.  Even more important is the part where I was told I was a racist for not having any black friends.  With that type of predisposition, I am very confident I would have assumed a white person in the same situation was a thief.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dave C.</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/how-i-learned-racial-discrimination/5461/comment-page-1/#comment-139435</link> <dc:creator>Dave C.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:50:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5461#comment-139435</guid> <description>Sorry, I don&#039;t buy it!  This must have been the most effective training class in the whole universe to blame it for brainwashing all your future actions so thoroughly.  You might want to package and sell the method.
You are trying to tell us that a single training session you received at a different job, in a different city, a fairly long time ago (that I suspect, the effectiveness of which, you were already not all to persuaded of and thus remember it so well) made you not stop someone that could have been doing all kinds of things besides running away from the scene of a crime?   Did something like the policeman yell something like &quot;Stop, thief&quot; or &quot;Stop that man&quot; indicate that this was a crime in progress and you still didn&#039;t stop him because of the diversity training?  If no, I have a feeling that the consequences of an error in judgment played the real role in your decision to let him pass.
For all you know, as you suggested, he could have been, e.g., running to meet his grandmother at the subway after having run home to get her forgotten purse, looking behind him to see if he upset the person he may have bumped into. I could come up with several other plausible alternate situations that could be seen as a possible purse-snatcher eluding the law.
If you are honest with yourself, the fact that it was a black man running down the street/sidewalk did, most likely, influence your first impression.   Just close your eyes and imagine if it had been a white guy?  Denying the influence is counter human nature that dictates that humans heavily use visual queues to infer and assess threats and situations in general.
I think your story could have possibly been a better post about first impressions.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I don&#8217;t buy it!  This must have been the most effective training class in the whole universe to blame it for brainwashing all your future actions so thoroughly.  You might want to package and sell the method.</p><p>You are trying to tell us that a single training session you received at a different job, in a different city, a fairly long time ago (that I suspect, the effectiveness of which, you were already not all to persuaded of and thus remember it so well) made you not stop someone that could have been doing all kinds of things besides running away from the scene of a crime?   Did something like the policeman yell something like &#8220;Stop, thief&#8221; or &#8220;Stop that man&#8221; indicate that this was a crime in progress and you still didn&#8217;t stop him because of the diversity training?  If no, I have a feeling that the consequences of an error in judgment played the real role in your decision to let him pass.</p><p>For all you know, as you suggested, he could have been, e.g., running to meet his grandmother at the subway after having run home to get her forgotten purse, looking behind him to see if he upset the person he may have bumped into. I could come up with several other plausible alternate situations that could be seen as a possible purse-snatcher eluding the law.</p><p>If you are honest with yourself, the fact that it was a black man running down the street/sidewalk did, most likely, influence your first impression.   Just close your eyes and imagine if it had been a white guy?  Denying the influence is counter human nature that dictates that humans heavily use visual queues to infer and assess threats and situations in general.</p><p>I think your story could have possibly been a better post about first impressions.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark Shead</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/how-i-learned-racial-discrimination/5461/comment-page-1/#comment-139430</link> <dc:creator>Mark Shead</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:04:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5461#comment-139430</guid> <description>Carol - I was going to call this post &quot;How I became a racist&quot;, but didn&#039;t because some definitions of racism include treating other races poorly--not just differently.
I have been surprised at the people here (presumably minorities of some type) who are saying that a color blind society isn&#039;t what they want.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carol &#8211; I was going to call this post &#8220;How I became a racist&#8221;, but didn&#8217;t because some definitions of racism include treating other races poorly&#8211;not just differently.</p><p>I have been surprised at the people here (presumably minorities of some type) who are saying that a color blind society isn&#8217;t what they want.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark Shead</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/how-i-learned-racial-discrimination/5461/comment-page-1/#comment-139429</link> <dc:creator>Mark Shead</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:00:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5461#comment-139429</guid> <description>Cam - I agree that there would have been risks in stopping the thief.  My concern was more about the way I was thinking than whether he got away or not.  The bigger point, that many people seemed to miss was the fact that before &quot;diversity training&quot; I didn&#039;t think of my friends in terms of their skin color.
To me this seems quite a bit better. But I&#039;m getting told I&#039;m an idiot and only think that way because of &quot;white privilege&quot;.  So I have a question for you.  Would you rather have your white friends think of you as their &quot;black/mexican/etc friend&quot; or not immediately realize they have any black/mexican/etc friends because that isn&#039;t how they define you?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cam &#8211; I agree that there would have been risks in stopping the thief.  My concern was more about the way I was thinking than whether he got away or not.  The bigger point, that many people seemed to miss was the fact that before &#8220;diversity training&#8221; I didn&#8217;t think of my friends in terms of their skin color.</p><p>To me this seems quite a bit better. But I&#8217;m getting told I&#8217;m an idiot and only think that way because of &#8220;white privilege&#8221;.  So I have a question for you.  Would you rather have your white friends think of you as their &#8220;black/mexican/etc friend&#8221; or not immediately realize they have any black/mexican/etc friends because that isn&#8217;t how they define you?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark Shead</title><link>http://www.productivity501.com/how-i-learned-racial-discrimination/5461/comment-page-1/#comment-139426</link> <dc:creator>Mark Shead</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:49:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.productivity501.com/?p=5461#comment-139426</guid> <description>Fran - The people I&#039;ve known who are really racist don&#039;t like black people and they will tell you that.  If someone points out to them that they don&#039;t have any black friends, they aren&#039;t going to care.  It won&#039;t make them feel bad--they already know it and would say, &quot;Of course I don&#039;t have any black friends.  I don&#039;t like black people.&quot;
Regarding color blindness: Here are two scenarios.  Which do you think is the most healthy:
1. I get asked how many black friends I have and I say &quot;zero&quot;--overlooking the fact that 2 of my closest 10 friends are black. Not because I forgot they were my friends, but because I don&#039;t notice their skin color.
2. I get asked how many black friends I have and I say, &quot;I have eight white friends and two black friends with no hesitation.&quot;
I believe that people who fall under option 2 are more likely to act in a racist manner simply because they have categorized their friends in two boxes: white and black.  If you disagree, I&#039;d love to hear why.  Simply saying that it is &quot;white privilege&quot; is rather insulting.  I&#039;m speaking from my personal experience here.  I&#039;m open to what other people have to say, but give me some logic as to why you think option 2 is a better state for the world to be in.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fran &#8211; The people I&#8217;ve known who are really racist don&#8217;t like black people and they will tell you that.  If someone points out to them that they don&#8217;t have any black friends, they aren&#8217;t going to care.  It won&#8217;t make them feel bad&#8211;they already know it and would say, &#8220;Of course I don&#8217;t have any black friends.  I don&#8217;t like black people.&#8221;</p><p>Regarding color blindness: Here are two scenarios.  Which do you think is the most healthy:</p><p>1. I get asked how many black friends I have and I say &#8220;zero&#8221;&#8211;overlooking the fact that 2 of my closest 10 friends are black. Not because I forgot they were my friends, but because I don&#8217;t notice their skin color.</p><p>2. I get asked how many black friends I have and I say, &#8220;I have eight white friends and two black friends with no hesitation.&#8221;</p><p>I believe that people who fall under option 2 are more likely to act in a racist manner simply because they have categorized their friends in two boxes: white and black.  If you disagree, I&#8217;d love to hear why.  Simply saying that it is &#8220;white privilege&#8221; is rather insulting.  I&#8217;m speaking from my personal experience here.  I&#8217;m open to what other people have to say, but give me some logic as to why you think option 2 is a better state for the world to be in.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
